Some anger over that BLUP Re-evaluation. Not so easy getting some of those wins on lower GP unis. . . though I've done it before, I guess I'll be waiting to see how /big/ of an effect it has at the get go.

Nice though to adjust the MA/Nyx age restrictions. That is a nice change I am pleased to see,
though I do not use them often.

I may have missed it in the first post, but at what date are they adding the updates to BLUP?

about the same time as the cards or about Nov 1st

You can buy a card privately. There will be a meter along the top of the flash sales. When you buy a card from the auction or direct your meter will start to fill up. Once it is filled you can buy a card of your choice for a set price.

According to the little chart at the bottom of the flash sales page you get 2% for a bronze, 5% for silver, 10% for gold, 20% for a diamond and 40% if you buy the divine.

BLUP Calculation


There’s now a better distribution of the 3 factors determining BLUP calculation: the BLUP calculation is less weighted toward training so that wins and horse age count more.

Win weighting: Each win gives you more BLUP than the previous win. The 20th win is therefore the most significant.

Age weighting: Each month gives you more BLUP than the previous month, so you get to the maximum when the horse reaches age 10.
Note: A horse’s BLUP updates after their first aging after the update.


The above is a copy of what is written in the new BLUP calculation from the test server.

Does anybody know what it means when it says "A horse's BLUP updates after their first aging after the update"?

Does that mean that a horse will not reach 100BLUP until after the update?

I think it means that after the update has taken place, a horse will have to age (either naturally or with an AP) for their new BLUP (with effects from the update) to show up

I've never posted a spoiler banner before, so just testing first.

I am actually looking forward to the blup change. I do breed at 70 sometimes, but with my original GP (350) foundation NIB horses, I breed at 100, and it takes forever as it sits now. I think the update will improve the ability to hit 100. I prefer this. Excellent change.

It will still be as easy/difficult to get to 100. It will still require 20 wins, full bolding,
and aging to 10. However, my understanding is that breeding at 70 blup will now be significantly less effective, though I am not sure by how much, hopefully someone on the French test server can run some trials to see the GP gain differences between breeding at 70 and 100.

I used the same parents, but bred a few foals from them.
Foal 1 had 4196.58
Foal 2 had 4195.06
Foal 3 had 4200.38

Dam had 4173.47 with 72.07 Blup
Sire had 4161.84 with 70.12 Blup

I don't have access to these same horses on the live server as I bought the parents, which were the closest to 70 Blup I could find at the moment so I input the parent's values into the Howrse Plus calculator, which is usually pretty accurate and takes the gains of the GP your working with into account.

According to the calculator, under our current system the foal would have an average GP of 4216.69 with around 70 Blup. Meaning the new difference in GP between breeding at 70 blup now, and breeding at 70 blup under the new system would be about 16-20 points

And had I bred them at 100 blup we would get an average GP of 4224.98, which is over 20 points difference from breeding at 100 and 70 under the new system.

Grant it, I'm not sure how accurate this is, and I'd like to test it some more, but I suppose that provides a bit of an idea, maybe.
In regards to the actions needed to get to 70, both horses above had the 3 skills bolded, were aged to 10 and had 8 wins. So you'll now need to get about 8 wins if you want to reach 70.

Foal 1: 9787.91
Foal 2: 9787.90

Sire: 9787.46 with 70.12 blup
Dam: 9787.55 with 70.12 blup
Under our current Blup system the foal's average GP would be 9788.46, so there is less than a 1 point difference when breeding at 70 Blup. Breeding at 100 blup would be about 9788.63

For reference, our top GP on INT is 9881, but 100 GP off was the closest I could get, but this test would suggest you won't be too affected if you breed towards the top. I'll keep looking into it though.

The GP on the parents is slightly lower than the two I used in that last one, but getting wins on preprod is a pain so those two aren't blupped yet.

70(ish) blup test:
Foal had 9748.59 GP
sire-9760.5 GP with 73.06 blup
dam-9735.34 GP with 71.52 blup

100 blup test with the same parents above
This foal had 9748.96 GP

We had a .37 GP difference from breeding the parent's average blup of 72.29 to when I bred them at 100. I didn't get to breed multiple foals to see what the average GP would have been at 70 blup breeding

From these few tests (that are massively incomplete) it would appear those working with lower GP will want that 100 blup more than those with top GP as there didn't seem to be much difference between 70 and 100 breedings when I used top GP. Hopefully we'll get some more complete tests run in the coming days and we'll see what the gain loss could be for those who still choose to breed at 70.

In regards to "A horse's BLUP updates after their first aging after the update": This just means that after this change occurs you'll need to age your horse in order for its new blup to register. I say "new blup" because due to the points redistributing differently your horse's blup will either increase or decrease (horses at 100 blup will not be affected since the actual requirements for blup are not changing). For example, all my horses at 70 blup with top 3 skills bolded and aged to 10 dropped to 60 blup, because bolding will be worth less points. Horses that had several wins but less training generally had an increase in blup.

If you're curious about what actions will get your horse to at least 70 blup, you can age your horse to 10, bold top 3 skills and have 8 wins to get 70.12 blup.

For the " Reach BLUP 100 before your horse is 10 years old thanks to the Nyx Pack": this perk will still exist. I assumed it would because the perk is still on the subscription page, but I tested it out anyway and did reach 100 blup with a horse who hadn't yet aged to 10 yrs.

I'm just saying the change doesn't bother me. I have to do the work anyway, may as well be that much more effective over just going to 70.

So for Prix breeders, things may go on as before, but for low GP or unicorn breeders,
100 blup may need to be the new gold standard, though many teams already adhered to that so it benefits them. That seems reasonable, there is normally less turnover or continuous breeding on the latter, whereas Prix teams couldn't reasonably age all our horses to 10.

anyone who currently breeds at 100 blup now won't be affected. The gain we get at 100 blup won't change at all.

And yes, from the few tests I've done so far, it *appears* that if lower GP breeders want to keep up or make sure they're getting good gains they'll want to breed closer to 100 or 100 itself from now on because the difference in gain from breeding at 70 and 100 was 20 points in that low GP test I did.

you can get more than 1 prize from the puzzle portion of the promo. Before we could only get 1 of each. I got 2,3 and 4 of each. No more redundant cards, all of them ( even the bronze ones) can be used.

I am so looking forward to this card promo, its my top three favorites, and I love the changes made, this will be awesome!!!

Can not wait for the Norse divines to come out! I never thought this would happen!
*bounces out of seat* Especially if there is a Loki, I would KILL to get him. And Thor.
Now I'm wishing so bad that the promotions for those are easy. Love the Yeti coat. Have to get it!

#MagnusChase if y'all know what I'm talking about. hehe. I'm really excited for the Norse divines as well. I think I might give the card promo a go, gotta save up for it though,
so that might take a while Starting to save passes....Now!!

Also loving the new changes in Cards promo. Very helpful. It's also really nice of Howrse,
I mean you could get so many good prizes out of this promo already, but the new changes,
honestly, I love them. For all the new players out there, this will be a great way to start up their BM stash.

You realize what they're doing with the change to the puzzle cards in the card promos. They've realized that people hold the rarer cards duplicates waiting to trace - since trades guarantee you won't get a duplicate you've already placed. So you get a duplicate diamond card that you would normally hold - but you can complete that golden apple puzzle again so you go ahead and place it without thinking about. Now you have to spend passes buying card packs to complete the Morpheus arms puzzle because it's the last one you eed to get the divine.

This is a cool change - I agree - but hold those rarer duplicates until you you're down to one or two to get the divine before trading (and give yourself a couple of days as well)

My suggestion is to hold all jokers and duplicates of gold or diamond colored cards until the last weekend of the promo. I make strategies on every promo based on my playing on the test server. I found that while I activated every card as I went through, the better option was to hold the top 3 levels( joker, diamond and gold). This allows you to pick and choose where you want to place duplicates. The foal puzzle piece has 4 bronze and 1 silver and using those extra bronze duplicates that are normally wasted went to that piece. I have 9 foal foundies there now.