Same I need him

0_0 yeah...I don't really support this idea...

Do we know if any Divines will be released via reserved sales anytime soon?

I feel as though those divines are religious, I agree with Wolfheart77, and I would like for this game to stay away from that, but, what can ya' do?

Well, we already have the Apocalypse horses, so there's that. You can use religious iconography to tell any story; ever seen the show Supernatural? Loads of religious stuff in there, but obviously it's not an accurate representation of reality. Astrology is really more about superstition than anything, and really shouldn't be taken seriously.

There was a set of Wandering horses as well as many BMIs based on ancient Greek gods, there are the divines from Norse, Egyptian, and Chinese mythology, and some people complained about the prehistoric divines because they implied evolution. Religion and religious motifs are always intertwined with society and culture, and it's nearly impossible to separate them.

Repeating what I said on the last page, if you don't want to think of the zodiac as a religious symbol - think of it as another label for your birthday. My birthday is in November, it was on a Monday, and it's also in the date range for Scorpio. Whether you believe the horoscope/fortune/personality traits that are assigned to your sign is up to you.

I hope that GP gain for foundations is true. At least it would give people a reason to keep tthey're first horses aside from sentimental values or BMIs. I like that idea.

I would personally love Zodiac horses. Its not actually religious more of superstition and at least zodiacs are a positive superstition and one that's enjoyable. Besides if its true, then that's more divines for the game which is always nice. Back to the Z horses, even if it some people consider it religious its not being used in a bad or offensive way toward anyone. So I think it'd be nice to see, not to mention they have potential to look really cool. I can't wait to see what this game comes up with next.

Oh no, it's a terrible idea that does nothing. The problem is in how comps are set up- since they're based on one skill, any horse with a low enough primary skill but really high secondary skills can still enter the same comp as a low GP/skilled horse, and as a result newbies have to struggle to get wins on their horses. Comps either need to be based on GP, or have special baby comps set up for players with under 30 day's seniority (kinda like how Gaia Stones are). It's entirely possible to fully BLUP a foundie; heck, I've BLUP'ed 128 foundies by myself so far. All you need is patience, persistence, and a BLUP party.

If the gain is auto and not much each time then I simply think that it wouldn't affect the game so juristically. And since foundies are a players first horse it could grow with the players. I think it'd be nice to have a horse that did that. And as for competitions... idk about everyone else but I just entered my foundie in random comps till he had 20 victories. Plus with gp gain the could enter comps with more money therefore being more helpful.

The starting GP's on some of the foundies on prepod are absolutely ridiculous (some of them even had a star). You could easily breed an un-BLUP'ed mare to an outside stallion and get a foal with multiple stars. The problem is that the starting GP's can go up by 6 points per day, which will very quickly overtake even the best NIB horses since NIB'ing is a slower process. Given how easy it is now to produce a quality horse, the auto-GP gains are unnecessary.

People could still do NIB projects. And 6 points a day isn't as much as you'd think. It would be nice to have a horse that grows in skills each day even if by a bit. And NIB's could always do breeding restrictions if they wanted to. My opinion is its a good idea. Your opinion is it isn't. I personally hope they go through with it. Its a free skill gain for a horse you start the game with. Just my opinion. If you wish to discuss this further please PM me. People are in this forum for spoilers and to share opinions. You've shared yours I've shared mine. Please PM me if you wish to continue discussing it so the people can read spoilers in peace. My apologies to the forum community for the long messages and enjoy the game whatever it may bring.

Here's why it'll kill NIB projects, if anyone is confused. The GP's on all foundies born after the update will be fixed, so if a new player joins on the first day post-update, their foundie will have a permanent GP of 356. If another player joins on day 2, their foundie will have a GP of 362 while player 1's foundie's GP is still 356. You've just created a better horse that will always be able to beat the first one, assuming both are equally trained and have similar skill sets (apples to apples). This doesn't solve the problem of not being able to win comps with foundies- it's perpetually creating better and better horses that will always be able to beat poor player 1's horse, who had the bad luck to sign up too soon. Since all new foundie's GP's will keep going up, even if it's not by the full 6 points, they will soon be able to overtake even the best NIB horses, since there's no way to keep pace with the GP gains. This invalidates years of hard work, and is a huge slap in the face for the NIB community.

So no, it's not a "few free points everyday" like how certain Divines are wired (like Huanglong).

I do see what your saying but am I the only one who likes the idea? Assuming it ever goes through?

Even if older players don't get it its a nice edge for new players. What I wonder is if horses like that would be able to sell a horse like that. Or if it'll have limited breedings.

Again, the problem isn't with the GP, it's with how comps are set up. Fix comps, not the GP. By making comps based on GP, or by having special comps reserved for just foundies, it will make BLUP'ing low GP horses so much easier because we wouldn't have to worry about skillers blanketing everything and winning everything as well.

It seems like an awkward in-the-middle fix that doesn't satisfy either side to me. As Golden Lover explained, it will make the NIB breeders unhappy. It won't help the new players very much - 350 versus 356 or even 400 is still low GP, and it will still be hard to win comps. Starting from a bit higher foundies won't give them enough of a jump start to be significant. If they made the foundie GP high enough to really give new players a good start for high GP breeding, it would infuriate all the teams and players who have worked hard to reach those high GP levels.

Nowadays, if a new player wants to get into high GP breeding they either buy new horses or pay for high GP coverings. It has been that way for a long time - it's what I did when I started. I don't think changing the foundie GP will change that dynamic much at all.

Plus there's the tradition of foundies always having the same GP (or nearly the same, if they are from the companion era). Call me sentimental but I would not like a foundie as much with a different GP.

That's all true. Hmmm... maybe if the gp gain was during special occasions or when the horse reached a certain age it would get a gp gain? Or a gp gain when it wins a comp?

That is really unfair and would probably break the entire game if a foundie won GP points every time it wins a comp. Fix the comps, not the GP.

Yeah I didn't think so either just thought I'd say it but the other two or at least the certain age one might be fun.

When I first read it it did sound like a good idea but on second thought, maybe not. They're foundations for a reason, and should stay with the gp they start with. There's other things that need changing before considering changing something that technically is the foundation of the game. No pun intended. Foundations are around to teach players and offer challenge and contest for other players. So perhaps the should have low GP. My apologies again it seems I argued it just to change my mind. Lol

Hey, that's the whole point of debate- to bring differing viewpoints together and get them to discuss it with each other, and maybe change a mind or two. I'm all for helping inexperienced players- if I need to, I will keep posting my foundie BLUP'ing guides on every page of the Training thread. The comp system is breaking, and changing the GP won't fix it.

I actually don't have a problem with the comps. Or maybe I haven't noticed. Maybe the foundies should have a way to raise skill levels or something but none of it would be fair. Specially with a game that runs on time and seniority or passes. I can't help but think there would be an unfair advantage if they did apply a skill or GP rise.