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That's why I was hoping Cyber could ask on prepod if anyone had any information on the issue.

And if it is a known issue - I wonder how many ECs are being affected and the players don't even realize it because they aren't trying to put their horses into the comp and therefore aren't trying to search for it. This could be more widespread than only a couple of players if other players aren't working to build up comp prestige by putting their own horses into their own comps. Unless a player is doing that - it's possible they would never realize the issue exists.

And yes, I understand that seniority does not equate to knowledge - but to immediately assume a player doesn't have a clue seems a bit rude and that is something, I would never have attributed to Cyber.
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Here is where the confusion is.

You posted

""My Gallop comp has been open since JUNE and hasn't run since then. That's despite me every few days trying to pull it up by my EC name and there being NO horses entered into it.""

You state that you are able to pull up your comp every few day with no horses in it. That suggests you have a comp you can see but not a single horse ( meaning no horses, even your own) are entered.

Nothing on preprod is addressing this as no one there is having this issue. I just checked with the Admins and they requested you send in a ticket to them.
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Sorry Cyber - I see where the confusion occurred.

Even though I also stated that the comp couldn't be seen first. I was stating that I was 'trying' to pull it up every few days - my apologies that I failed to add another statement that I wasn't able to pull it up.

I've sent one ticket previously - not sure what it will do - but will send again.
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Cyber
Do you have any idea if the pass horses or loyal players pass will be removed. Thank you
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When will the changes be implemented
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No change there.



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Since we are testing the card promo with the new features it seems logical they would be in place before it starts. The card promo should start on the 8th of Nov and the Pinata promo ends the 5th. I would say the actual pass change part would be the 6th or 7th of Nov. That is my best guess.
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So I'm on the US preprod and I found the following in the "Breeder's Manual" from the test server:

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Competitions for rookie horses
Some competitions are restricted to beginner horses only. Beginner horses are horses that:

had less than 20 wins
have no skills over 810
qui n'ont aucune compétence dont le potentiel génétique est supérieur à 1120
This value is recalculated every night.



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I sincerely hope that 1120 is not going to be the actual GP limit. Seems impossible as I think foundation horses are being born higher then that. Yeah, my Selle Francais were 1585
so I am just going to assume that the number is not even slightly accurate but I do wonder where it is coming from.

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Some more things I am thinking about re: the upcoming changes

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I noticed that the "sell a team horse for the team" option restricts you to passes only. So the team pot is for passes only and you cannot distribute equus through it.


I am assuming that you get no divine dust for opening TCs unless there is a special promo going on? Even though I have heard that you can win divines if you get to what like level 10 or something?

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By Retired breeder, October 16, 2018 23:18:33
@ladyhauwke you can get divines on level 8 in the TCs.


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It is supposed to be recalculated each night but in testing if any single skill goes over that limit they will not be able to see rookie comps.




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I see no option for equs, just passes in the team pot. There has to be a promo, either main one or mini one for the dust to activate. We haven't tested that yet on the main test server.
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The skill going over limit has always been a limitation of rookie comps.

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I'm talking about the other larger number. The 1120 is I believe a max genetic potential which a horse must be below in order to enter rookie comps. But if it is truly 1120 at this time for the US server then not even new foundations will be eligible for rookie comps.
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Test servers don't usually reflect the live server because they are stagnant snapshots that don't really 'update'

We won't know what the actual number will be until it goes live, and it will update as often as the Skil limit does.
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It's not the overall, but rather
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if any single genetic skill is over that limit then the horse isn't qualified. If your horse's speed genetic is over the number stated, but it has less than 20 wins and less than the current skill cap (820 skill points here) in all skill areas then it can't enter rookie comps.It works like the skill limit in that it's looking at all of the individual genetics, not the overall.
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By Retired breeder, October 17, 2018 18:31:51
I read somewhere that diamonds will be turned into passes. How many passes will a diamond translate into?
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1 diamond = 10 passes ( just like it is now really )
1 present pass = 100 on the new passes ( I believe that is what I read)

but it is like the metric system in the US ( we use the English system and metric is hard for us "old folks" to tranlate to LOL )
-- don't think in terms of what was --- it is going to be the same value wise ( or in some a tad less or perhaps a tad more ) ---
we have to just start thinking "in metric" as I like to explain it --- and forget the "English"
( an American is probably the only one who will get my analogy ... but the same basic idea applies ... don't worry about what it "used " to be -- just think in terms of the new system ...
and yes for me that will take time too )
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well actually ...

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it is now 10 diamonds = 1 pass
but since we are getting rid of diamonds ... it is changed
( see ? even I am getting confused -- that is why I am totally "forgetting " our way now --
and starting to think in the new way -- getting ready for the change)
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--- (quoted) It's not the overall, but rather
if any single genetic skill is over that limit then the horse isn't qualified. If your horse's speed genetic is over the number stated, but it has less than 20 wins and less than the current skill cap (820 skill points here) in all skill areas then it can't enter rookie comps.It works like the skill limit in that it's looking at all of the individual genetics, not the overall.




well IF this is the truth, and I am understanding correctly, .... I will have to use fewer tears then --- maybe ---
interesting ....
Elinea
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By Retired breeder, October 17, 2018 20:18:35
Thanks, Elinea!
By Retired breeder, October 17, 2018 20:44:03
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I noticed they added the Catrina Brooch to the search page, both in sales and in your breeding farms. Does this mean the promo is starting soon?

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Tears won't have any affect on the new GP criteria since Tears don't affect GP gain, just IBS.

The skill cap criteria looks to be calculated the same, so using Tears won't make a difference there eitherdefault smiley :)
Legacy Ann
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this is my logic --- crazy as it may sound ( I'm on prepod and still learning)


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tears do affect the IBS -- and that affects genetic skills ...
... so IF you are a small breeder like me --- I will be careful NOT to over use tears .. because I want good horses ...
and since genetic skills will be one of the things that will eventually determine if you can get into rookie comps... or this is how I see it
( and the top teams will now compete against other top teams -- which is a lot more fair for those of us who or not in a team)

IBS will affect it ... not a lot of people even care about IBS I realize; but believe me, I like high IBS or at least reasonable IBS because it makes blupping easier
and it's not too much of a change for me to just quit using tears
Elinea
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this is what I am looking at .... and wondering about --- that is why I said what I did

over 26 gens of Shagya Arabian data -- starting with 351.2 foundations .... I don't want to bore you to death, so this is just a snapshot of the data ...

Twins Z --- GP, 3073.28; IBS, 898.93; Stamina, 237.06; and 250* !(T)
Twins Aa ---GP, 3098.51; IBS, 617.22; Stamina, 162.82;and 253* !(UN-teared)
Twins Bb ---GP, 3124.32; IBS, 941.04; Stamina, 247.93; and 254* !(T)
Twins Cc --- GP, 3152.08; IBS, 629.16; Stamina,166.00; and 260* !(UN-teared)
Twins Dd --- GP, 3181.64; IBS, 988.86; Stamina, 261.02; and 261* !(T)

why is the stamina going up and down and the GP not so much ?

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from what I am reading on prepod ... and yes I had to read it several times ---
is that rookie comps will take into consideration not only the acquired skills, but also the skills in each skill area that the foal is born with -- or genetic skills ... am I reading it wrong ?
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currently, the requirement for rookie comps is that the horse must have less than 20 wins and can have no skill over 820. I'm not as familiar with the numbers here as I am on INT, but that skill cap is high enough that you can use Tears and have high IBS and still do rookie comps. You just have to make sure you don't train too much before you enter comps.

There is now an individual GP cap that states the horse can't have more than 1120GP (I think that's what someone stated it was on the US preprod?) In any area.

If your horse has less than 20 wins, less than 820 in each skill, but has more than 1120GP in, let's say speed GP, it is not qualified for rookie comps

But using Tears won't make a difference since you can currently use them and still have skills low enogh enough under the rookie skill cap. They don't affect GP gain, so they won't affect the new GP cap either.
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Legacy is correct here. Tears have no bearing on increasing the gp, only the ibs.

Elinea, I took a look at the twin Dd horse. The 261.02 in stamina (which by the way was a very good breeding compared to the other teared one, congrats on that,) was your horses actual inborn skills. The actual stamina gp is 839, which is still lower than the 1120gp in any skill. So as long a you are careful and watch how much you train you can still use tears and be ok.

Now. My question is this. Is it going to be the 1120 ( or whatever number they seem for whichever server) supposed to be for any individual skill or overall gp. I've heard both. I could bear the individual gp, but I might as well not even bother with comps anymore if it's the other way around. Can't you just see a 3600 uni competing with a 6400 horse?!?default smiley (lol)default smiley xd
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By Retired breeder, October 18, 2018 02:27:28
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Cyberhorse,, a question that came to me about the
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If I buy a team's horse and then sell it, will that go back into that team pot as well? Since that seems to rely on the affix, and that doesn't get removed for the sale, wouldn't that count towards the team pot instead of the player selling it?

Also, not seeing much to prevent higher level comps from sticking. That's a real problem a lot of us have. When are they going to work on that? That new change to comps being set, that's going to end up penalizing single breeders since we have no hope of keeping up with teams and that'll leave our comps at the upper levels stuck more often.
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